[AH3] Elsa Thread

[Curbeh]

http://arcana.mizuumi.net/wiki/Elsa%27s_Frame_Data

Elsa frames

[Shao]

Thanks for the work Curbeh. I'm starting Petra / Akane tomorrow.

[Tempered]

4c +1? gayyy

[Unable to Connect]

Just started Elsa this past week and am curious - is it better to use Kyrie after 2C or 4C?  4C seems better, but I'm still noobing it out with her so I'm curious.

[Curbeh]

2C > 421X
You'll almost always use this combo route

4C > 214B
This is probably better for 4C confirms, confirms into Gladius and Rank easily

[Zeromus_X]

What should I be doing after a neutral throw? Should I only go for side throws?

[Curbeh]

I usually just go for an air grab if they tech, then combo from that. Other wise.... I don't really throw with her to be honest lol

[Konkrete]

If you are close to killing them and midscreen you can neutral throw > qcf super, otherwise it's not worth it.

[Zeromus_X]

Anyone have any tips for this Water EFC combo that's on the wiki?:

...2C 421X [EFC] [step] 5A jA jB, j4B, jE [...] jA [land] 5A jA jB j4B jA jB j4B jC [communio]

I'm having issues getting the jA after the first jE, and landing and doing 5A. also, should I be doing the first "jA jB j4B jE" as fast as I can? Sometimes my jE whiffs entirely.


Edit: Oh, I see what I was doing wrong. I didn't really "dash" where it said [step], that terminology is kind of confusing. Now I get to the part where I land and relaunch with 5A, but they're too low to keep going with jA jB (jB whiffs). Any advice?

[Curbeh]

You want to do the first JE as late as possible and slightly delay the JA on the way down. That should give you the best height for the 5A. If you feel you are a bit off, you can delay the subsequent air parts. Water slow down helps you quite a bit

[Zeromus_X]

Anyone have any tips for getting in the opponent?

Also, any advice for Schar and Nazuna matchups? I keep getting zoned hardcore, and I'm not sure how to deal with it. I mean, it's great if I do actually get in, but...

[Curbeh]

Nazuna is a lot easier to deal with than Scharl, but its the same general idea:

STAY OUT OF THE SIRLIN YOMI BOXES

You should never be:
Nazuna - Directly in front (5C zone), face level (2B zone)
Sharl - Directly above (2B zone), eye level (5B zone), Directly in front (5C zone)

2B is your main threat against Nazuna, but you can avoid it by coming up and over her with JC, or under it with JB WITH variable speeds. Always change it up.
This will not work against Scharl. 2B stop you from going around and 5B will cover her front. You will need to either throw her off of wait for her to do something bad. Luckily, those moves are not as dangerous as Nazuna's 2B as they are air blockable. So you can home in slowly and fake going above and low. And if you mess up you won't die since you can air block the chains. And of course, after you get in, Kill Them.

[Axl_m4steR]

hey, can someone explain to me if Elsa's j.E has been changed from AH2?
i see combos posted with j.A>j.E>j.A>j.E"rinse, n repeat"
does Elsa's E in AH3 have some type of infinite jump cancel properties linked to it?
something like the way GG's Millia Rage's j.D and j.K help in commiting her infinite IAD?

also, does anyone know how many stars Elsa gets from arcana lightning applied to her.

i use Saki/Time and Elsa/Earth.
i've only played AH3 once, and i remember that Elsa gets full or almost full star values for defense when you pick earth as her arcana, but one star for attack. if i remember correctly.
anyone know her star stats for elsa+lightning?

[Legendary Blue Shirt]

During EF you can cancel freely between all normal moves.
So depending on your relative height you can get two or three reps while falling, then use up your second jump for two or three more.  It's not a guaranteed thing.

[Axl_m4steR]

oh, i didn't realize that combo was an EF combo. i missed that part as i sped read.
but i was wondering if her airiel E was still a knock down, or was it changed in AH3?
or is it still a knock down but with the EF effect, the timing of "pianoing" between A and E really really quick?